Zuzana Versus The Angry Trainer!
I’m a little upset…okay…I’m really upset. In fact I’m pissed off. Wanna know why? Well here’s the story…
A few days ago I answered a reader’s question here on the site that asked “Can You Get A Great Body Exercising 12 Minutes Per Day?” The basis for the question was the famous Zuzana, formerly of Bodyrock and her successor on the site Lisa Marie. Both ladies insist they achieved their ultra lean and toned bods with just 12 minutes of exercise per day.
Now if you read my response carefully and thoroughly, you’ll see that I answer the question in some detail. No, in my opinion you CANNOT sculpt a physique like Zuzana or Lisa Marie’s with just 12 minutes of exercise per day. Now remember the question wasn’t “Will 12 minutes of exercise per day benefit a person’s health and fitness?” It was CAN YOU get a body like these two women in such a short workout? Again the answer is NO.
Well apparently a Zuzana follower forwarded my post to her and here’s what she has to say:
“Anyone who’s telling you that is IMPOSSIBLE to get fit and lean by doing HIIT for only 15 minutes a day like I do is a FAT LIAR and I don’t care what their background is. If it’s a trainer, then it’s even worse because they should know better.
The reason why it gets me so mad is because they are discouraging people by telling them that they have to be on a super strict diet and dedicate at least 45 minutes 5-6 times a week to get fit. It is outrageous!
As a matter of fact any healthy individual can lose weight and get fit and lean by doing short high intensity workouts (15 minutes, 5-7 days a week) and following basic eating habits.
It has been proven so many times by research and by actual trainers and real people that I don’t understand why is it still being questioned?”
Okay – here we go!
Firstly, I NEVER said it’s impossible to do anything! Man, do people actually read what I write? Of course you can get fitter and healthier performing 12-minute workouts. And you can lose weight by just eating better, without even exercising! I’m not going to recite everything I wrote in my answer, BUT to call me a Big Fat Liar and say I should know better is plain wrong. Just who does Zuzana think she’s talking to here?
What’s really interesting is that many people who follow Bodyrock and Zuzana actually agreed with my thoughts! Many of them HAD seen results when they first started out but as I suspected, all said they needed to add more time, more movements and in general supplement their routine because their results started to fall short. In essence, they stopped seeing progress. And this is to be expected. Think about this – 12 minutes is LESS THAN 1% of your day. How much of a change in your physiology can you stimulate in such a short time?
We’re all interested in burning fat when we exercise right? Well here are some real FACTS – it can take up to twenty minutes for exercise to reduce insulin levels and lower blood sugar enough to get into a fat burning zone. And since Zuzana wants to speak about science and what’s been proven – let’s get the facts straight about hormone and endorphin release.
Surely we all want to feel those wonderful endorphins kick in right? It’s kind of a high. Well guess what? It’s not happening in 12 minutes. It’s PROVEN that after longer bouts of exercise – around the post 30-minute mark – endorphins start to get released and that growth hormone (the fat burning granddaddy) and testosterone (muscle building) levels begin to rise as well. Additionally, it’s been shown that these levels continue in a linear fashion over time, peaking around the 70-minute mark. How’s 12 minutes sounding now?
For those of you looking to add muscle to your body, 12 minutes just won’t suffice. In order to coax your body into adding lean slabs of beef, you must try to fully exhaust the muscle and its fibers. How that’s accomplished? I’ll tell you – multiple sets of exercise that fatigue the muscles, break them down and force them to repair themselves, bigger and stronger, for the next challenge. That’s not happening in 12 minutes.
What about calorie burn and the post-metabolic effects of exercise? Let’s talk about that too. Sure a 12-minute HIIT session is great and you will burn SOME calories and get a boost in your post calorie burn. But here again SCIENCE has proven the value of longer workouts. Training intensely for 45 minutes may yield up to a 500-calorie burn but also an additional 200 calories may be burned throughout the course of the day. I’ll take option #2 thank you.
I could go on with these FACTS but let me ask you, Zuzana, how many people have you trained in your life? Are you an actual trainer or just a YouTube front woman who has a passion for fitness? Have you ever trained anyone – ever? Do you see clients on a regular basis or teach class to hundreds of participants weekly? Have you ever personally helped a person lose 50, 60 or more pounds and get in the best shape of their life? Guess what? I have. I’ve been doing this for over 20 years now, with real people, in real life, with real workouts and solid nutrition plans, not just basic eating habits and some online videos with daily affirmations (By the way if you’d like to check out my Angry Trainer You Tube Channel for the kind of workouts I promote take a look!)
I’d also like to ask the millions of Bodyrockers out there a question! I’m sure you’ve all been a fan of Zuzana for some time now and followed along with her suggestions. Do any of you look like her? Do you have her ultra low bodyfat? Do you have the muscle tone and hardness she does? I’m sure many of you look amazing – but I highly doubt any of you look like her. Especially if you only work out for 12 minutes a day!
Zuzana has an amazing body, no doubt about it. I would never deny that she’s worked hard. I’ve seen pictures of her from years ago and she didn’t always look this great. Although she’s a bit softer now then in her Bodyrock days, she still looks like a fitness competitor. Do you know how hard those girls work to achieve that look? It takes hours in the gym and a closely monitored and controlled diet. My girlfriend Alejandra has an outstanding physique and she’s ultra fit. She too is outraged with this BS, because she knows first hand how hard it is to get into shape.
As I’ve said – I’ve never met anyone with an amazing body who achieved it in just 12 minutes a day. If you’ve got a solid base from years of hard labor in the gym then perhaps you can maintain for a while with such a short stimulus, but you aint building a Greek goddess or god–like physique in that time. And don’t just take my word for it! You won’t find ANYONE with any type of qualifications or credentials telling you that all you need is 12–15 minutes, 5 days per week.
Here’s the kicker. I’ve been a BIG supporter of Zuzana here on the site. I’ve given her two very positive reviews and props for her fitness contributions. I was a fan and thought she was the real deal. But the fact is she DIDN’T really read what I was saying – and neither did her army of fans. Instead they just went on the attack, telling me that I didn’t know what I was talking about!
YES, you can improve your health and fitness with short workouts – BUT they have their limitations. You will look better. But you won’t look like Zuzana!
Okay everyone – let the comments roll in… can’t wait to hear what you all have to say!
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about 8 months ago
The main thing figure competitors do is diet like crazy and do lots of cardio. They only eat dry white chicken breasts for months. I see people like this all the time who have given themselves adrenal burnout and possible thyroid disfunction.
about 8 months ago
Actually Mr. Angry Trainer I do have a body like Zuzana I do her workouts religiously and have done for the last 6 months ONLY and she has changed my life her workouts have changed my life! I take care about what I eat and combined with her workouts Im pleased to say that I have a very low percentage of body fat! So you are WRONG! and by the way I tried one of your workouts this morning ‘total wipeout’ maybe for you it was, but three rounds later I admit I sweated a bit but not near as much as I do with Zuzana. I actually did her workout after your so called ‘wipe out’ hang up the shoes man!! And leave the likes of Zuzana do the job!
about 8 months ago
Good for you, I’m sure your body is just like Z’s. I see you and Zuzana both learned how to get your point across at the same place. Hang up my shoes? Never…
about 8 months ago
We know what’s true Alfonso. I’d like to see a picture of Lisa who looks just like Z, I mean a real picture of Lisa. I wish 12 minutes a day would do. 12 minutes a day is definitely way way better than no minutes a day. If Lisa did your workout correctly, she would not have said the negative statement. It’s now just about tit for tat. Children. You know the truth, and so do I. I have followed every exercise for, well I’m not telling how many years and years, that have been thrown out for mankind, and I love Z too, and I have read your positive comments about her. But she does not incorporate weights hardly ever for one. I would not call her workouts HIIT (check out Cathe Friedrich’s HIIT DVD). And I agree, Z works out hard, very. She could just be one of the lucky people who naturally have a good physique and with her 12 minutes a day, just defines her more. We all cannot and will not look like Z, maybe surgery, but not unless you have her genes and her whatever else makes her look so great besides just her 12 minutes a day. Unless of course you put hours in a week. It is really insulting to those who work so hard and look as good and better than Z to be told that we only need 12 minutes. 12 minutes is not even enough for one biceps. I appreciate your writings, even though you never answered a question of mine, I’m fine, I’m over it,
about 8 months ago
i used to follow Zuzana but after her respond at her fb page i lost all my respect for her. i read the article as well and i agree with Alfonso here, and if she do a proper warm up and cooldown the workout time should be at least 30 minutes.. and please Alfonso, dont ever hang up your shoes, your workouts are great!!!
about 8 months ago
I’ve also did Zuzana’s workouts with success, but I can assure you they weren’t all 12 mins long. She doesn’t even do exclusive 12 minute workouts, as I’m sure you know by doing her videos.
People are losing sight of the topic.
about 8 months ago
If you are the Lisa MG (I won’t write the extended name to protect your privacy) who has just posted a comment in Zuzana’s Facebook wall, then your body is NOT like Zuzana’s. In your Facebook profile there are your photographs in 2009, 2011 and 2012. These photographs show that you have always been thin and decently toned. The only difference now is that you are probably a little thinner and with a little more muscle tone. Very little definition. You would have obtained similar results with virtually any sort of training and, considering what your physique looks like, you’d benefit a lot more from strength training. You need to lift heavy weights if you want to get even close to Zuzana’s level.
about 4 months ago
Lisa, Zuzka Light workouts are imbalanced and you may feel it yet. From 40+ workouts from her last youtube channel, there are only 3 workouts with back exercises and she rarely does hamstring exercises too. At the same time she includes chest and core exercises in almost all her workouts. Actually Zuzka workouts are dangerous because they create strong front part of the body and weak back part. This is a base for injury but it takes time to start feeling back and knee pain and you may not connect it with imbalance workouts.
I think Alfonso may want to re-test her workout method because it is dangerous.
about 2 months ago
you silly girl….Mr Angry trainer is the real deal and I have comepeted in fitness competitions. It takes hard work girl…no more , no less. The ‘full story’ and Z’s training background will give you the information you really need.
Read thoroughly next time.
PS. Let’s see a pic of your ‘ Z -Like’ body.
very curious to see this, I’ll admit
about 8 months ago
high five, man.
that is all.
about 8 months ago
Thats bull! Your in the right Alfonso! Even the Heart Association recommends minimum of 30min a day of exercise to be healthy, Nothing my choice of word healthy…not ripped…shredded…etc! I commented in your other post but I’ll say again. I used to think that thats all they did was 12min but not even I who preps for shows does that little and I eat super clean and on point for these shows!!! I know realized Bodyrock workouts are great additions <— to your current program. And I agree you CAN even lose with without any exercise just stop eating more than you burn! Its not rocket science people! Also The bodyrock girls are clearly in maintenance mode now they've sculpted the physique they love and its beautiful. When your that lean you can cut back on training more and stay eating clean and still have positive results but at some point you gatta tap into the CNS with longer workouts so wake it up! Im behind you Alfonso!
about 8 months ago
I have never heard of this woman and after the attack on you with out even reading your comments thoroughly I have no desire to hear anything she has to say. If all it took was 12 minutes a day and basic eating habits the United States of America wouldn’t have such an obesity problem, enough said. While any exercise is better than none, not one person would be able to achieve her body in 12 minutes a day, there is just no way. I enjoy reading your stories, tips, FB messages, keep them coming. You have a loyal listener right here and I thank you. Take care Erika
about 8 months ago
What she said.
about 8 months ago
Thanks so much for telling it straight! Twelve minutes a day is great for health and general fitness, but not enough to get a rock hard bod!
about 8 months ago
Wow.. Well, I am a huge fan of BodyRock, and I have done one workout from Zuzana since she ventured out on her own. I have never seen results like I have from these workouts. That may very well be because, especially as a mom of two crazy lil boys, consistency is easier with a short time frame. I have been “bodyrocking” since about February and I feel amazing and look the best I ever have. However, over the last few months I have added an additional 12 mins plus a 3/4 min ab bonus, as well as running and lap swimming. I feel this was necessary as my body was adjusting to being fit and I needed more of a push and challenge to see further results. I think you are great and your posts are very entertaining, accurate and realistic. Thanks for all the information and personal views. Its not easy telling the world how you truly feel. Kudos my friend
Zuzana may feel like you were being critical of her method and she was probably insulted, but she should have read the post herself and been diplomatic and respectful about her view.
about 8 months ago
Hi Alfonso,
I love both Zuzana and you and it’s saddening to see you ‘fight’…but there’s a crucial point of clarification *right off the bat*: Zuzana may say that her workouts are “short”, that the high intensity part is “sometimes under 20 minutes” or even “work hard for 12 minutes!” BUT she also ALWAYS mentions that you must warm-up, cool-down and OFTEN mentions an extra cardio burn such as jumping rope or running. It is my opinion (let the incendiary comments fly people!) that it was the *other* portion of the BodyRock site (ahem) that crowed and screamed about “If you have ONLY 12 minutes, you can get in the best shape of your life! 12 minutes! That’s IT”.
I’ve followed Zuzana for 1.5 years–I add jump rope, I do yoga days, I do your workouts and others’ high intensity stuff too–and I’m 17% fat and strangers approach me to say I have “awesome abs” or arms or legs or whatever. Do I “look like Zuzana”? Well…almost. Where she has no fat on her torso but fat on her legs, I have less fat on my arms and legs and a bit more on my torso than her….but I don’t eat like a competitor either, it’s just not worth it to me.
Bottom Line: Doing “just” Zuzana workouts takes me about an hour every day because I warm-up, workout, add whatever extra thing like cardio or abs or foam rolling, and then stretch/cool-down. It’s not “12 minutes”, but it has changed my body completely and I love it. I’m sorry she called you a “Fat liar”, but I still think you are not quite arguing about *exactly* the same thing.
One thing I *prefer* about you however is how you @#!%ING RESPOND when people ask questions or whatever!
Thank you.
about 8 months ago
That’s just it! If she is following her own advice of a warm up, cardio and cool down then she is in fact working out 45+ mins as indicated by the Angry Trainers article. Right? I’ve seen a lot of responses on her own page saying that they do her 15 min workout that compliments an additional workout (similar to yours) and they say 15 mins work! I may not be a math whiz, but if it’s complimenting another workout, it’s more than 15 mins. I just can’t wrap my brain around why Zuzana would claim you only need to work out for 15 mins.
about 8 months ago
If you take 15 minutes as the base then it’s more like 25 to 30 minutes for the total workout including warm up and cool down.
about 8 months ago
Well said! This is why this is silly and pointless and unwise to the extreme and make neither party look good in any sane knowledgable persons eyes! There is no reason a 45 minute workouts will not end in platueas over a short intense set of workouts. It’s tadition over science here! By Alfonso’s logic we should all be eventually working out infinity to gain results!
about 8 months ago
I totally agree with you. The Bodyrock site, which Zuzana is no longer a part of, are the ones preaching the 12 min workouts as all you need. If you look back at the archives where Zuzana was involved you will find workouts of different lengths and formats. Nowadays, the Bodyrock site is all about cardio and does not incorporate as much resistance and strength training as it once did. You can even see that Lisa Marie was not as lean and had about 5 more lbs of muscle on her frame at the beginning. The 12 min workouts are much more geared toward beginners and people with an excessive amount of weight to lose, so 12 min of high intensity cardio compared to nothing is going to render some results.
However, I have to agree that at a certain point, your body will plateau and require more – I know for myself, it only took about 4 months until I started increasing not only the amount of time, but more weight and changing up the format. (I rarely followed the w/o, and have always made my own due to my job being physically demanding as well). I do have to admit, though, that within that first 4 months, i lost 20 lbs of bodyfat and several inches by doing 12 min workouts 4x a week and following basic clean eating habits. My boyfriend has had a similar experience as far as when he had to really change things up to continue seeing results but within that first 4 months he lost at least 40 lbs. (since then he has lost a total of 80lbs in 9 1/2 months).
Anyway, the current state of Bodyrock.tv and Zuzana are
) and are rarely using any extra resistance.
not synonymous. Zuzana’s exercises tend to be more challenging and utilize a fair bit of bodyweight for resistance and tend to be more time challenges and focus on form, where Bodyrock uses a lot more plyometric exercises and tend to keep their format at 50:10 sec intervals. They also stress the importance of form a lot less since Zuzana left (in fact, there has even been some posts from Freddy that seem to downplay the importance of form
I do have to say, though, that I am a huge supporter of Zuzana. I believe that she is very motivational and inspires so many people to start getting in shape with an non-intimidating approach.
On a side note, aren’t fitness models doing isolating reps in the gym with weights rather than dynamic functional exercise? Seems like the two are so different and can’t really be compared.
about 8 months ago
I would have to agree with you, Angry Trainer. And I’m a HUGE fan of Zuzana and BodyRock. In fact, I BodyRock every day. I’m busy, I work and I go to school full time. Starting my day with a 12 minute workout is great, and knowing that I’ve done SOMETHING if I don’t have time to do anything else on any given day is comforting for me. However, I have recently started to feel like I’d like to do more. I don’t feel that release of energy all the time that is so important to helping me manage stress and anxiety (one of the biggest reasons I work out at all). But I also feel that I’ve lost some of the muscle definition I had obtained from doing more weight-lifting and cardio. I did see initial results, as a change in my workout routine helped me push through a plateau, but I find myself now increasingly less satisfied and have started to add in different forms of exercise. I’ve started going to BodyPump again and I’m planning to reintroduce some steady-rate cardio as well. I would have to agree that it’s a big statement to claim that such short workouts can give you a rock hard body, and if that’s what you’re after, I fully believe you’re going to have put a lot more into your sculpting efforts than 12 minutes.
Lastly, I just want to say that I appreciate your eloquent response to Zuzana. I was a little put off when I read her rant yesterday, to be honest, and I think you wrote a response today that shows how discussions should truly take place- with respect and without name calling. Thank you for that.
Jenny
about 8 months ago
Yeah, I don’t believe for a minute that only doing a 15 minute workout will make you look anything like Lisa-Marie or Zuzana. I could be mistaken but they will actually give you bonus workouts or warmups to do for a supplement, but even that without super-strict clean eating will not get you to that level of body fat, but hey I have never gotten to it, so I don’t know what the level of dedication is.
about 8 months ago
Hi Alfonso, I agree with you 100%. But the explanation of what happened is very simple: MONEY. For sites like Zuzana and Bodyrock, that make a huge amount of money out of traffic (number of views), the most important thing is to keep people happy and keep fidelization levels high. People are lazy: do they prefer to hear that 12-15 minutes a day will make their bodies look great or do they prefer to be told the truth, which is that they need to work harder if they want to keep looking great in the long run? People who are not brainwashed clearly see that Zuzana – despite her positive attitude and great enthusiasm – has not built her success because of her extensive knowledge, experience and fitness skills but because of her looks. Many people, unfortunately, judge the quality of the fitness routines by the look of the trainer, completely forgetting that at least 80% of those looks is the result of good genes (Zuzana has always looked very nice, even before working out. She’s always had a very low fat percentage and she’s always been quite toned). People, who often fall prey to marketing and adv mechanisms, think that if they do her routines and religiously follow her workouts they’ll eventually become somehow similar to her (lots of her viewers keep writing “I’m working hard to have a body like yours”). Money is also the reason why we often get to see more of Zuzana’s boobs than of Zuzana’s face: sex sells and both she and her previous husband have always exploited this ingredient to increase traffic to their site.
So going back to the question, I think Zuzana got this pissed because you were opening people’s eyes and telling them the truth. People prefer to believe in dreams, prefer to have heroes, prefer to be brainwashed by this cult-like mechanism that has always been very strong both at Zuzana’s and at Bodyrock’s sites. This way, people will keep nourishing the delusional illusion that one day, after many many days of 15 minutes’ workouts, they’ll magically end-up with Zuzana’s abs, Zuzana’s lean but well developed muscles, Zuzana’s ultra-low fat percentage. And of course Zuzana must find it very convenient that people keep living in this illusion, as this is precisely the mechanism that has enabled her to go to Hollywood and reach fame and glory there.
Boobs sell, illusions sell, dreams sell, looks sell. Selling means having money.
Having said all this, I am not saying that Zwows are not effective: they are great for beginners and they are a good starting point. But for intermediate and advanced levels, I think other types of workouts are way more effective.
As for what Zuzana does to have her body, I agree with you. She either works out much longer than she claims she does or she is the only example on the planet of a person who can have very well developed muscles by doing mainly bodyweight exercises 15 minutes a day.
Anyway she should never have insulted you (you have ALWAYS supported her, even advertising her site in yours) and this proves that her conscience is not that clean.
about 8 months ago
Well said!! There is definitely a matter of $$ involved by Zuzana and BodyRock in wanting people to believe they can get a body like that by doing their 12 minute routines. Ha – and so true about getting to see more of the boobs than the face! Perhaps that’s partially why the new BodyRocker Lisa Marie recently got a breast augmentation…
about 8 months ago
I’m interested in hearing from people who use her workouts. Everything I’ve heard about Zuzana is from horny men who like looking at her not people who actually do her workouts. No hate, but I’ve always thought of her more of eye candy than a source for reliable fitness information.
about 8 months ago
YouTube, is, unfortunately, full of those “horny men,” as you put it. If you go on her old workouts on BodyRock and look at the comments, or look at the comments on her Facebook page (since Z doesn’t have a working site of her own right now), you’ll get a better idea of her fan base. I love Z’s workouts old and new, and I still use them all the time. I did yesterday in face, although I did two 12 min workouts instead of just one, plus an ab finisher. So yeah, I like working out for more than 12 min a day, and I love her workouts, so I’ll just do more than one or I’ll do some of her longer ones. She has longer ones, too–she has loads of 18, 20, 25 min and even some 45 and 60-90 min workouts, too. Anyway, I think she’s an amazing trainer and an amazing woman.
about 8 months ago
Kendra, unfortunately both Zuzana and Freddy (and now Lisa Marie) have always done all they could to nourish this sort of fan base. The boobs-strategy, so to speak, has always been a very clear technique to keep providing this horny fan base with what they wanted: sexy stuff that they could get free of charge. No wonder they have never really censored those pervy comments because they have always known that they were providing them with good money.
Though I agree with you that Zuzana is an amazing woman, I dislike this sort of behaviour. Wanting to make money with her site is all very fine but I am sorry she has not been able to get rid of the “boobs factor” as one of her channel’s main selling points.
about 8 months ago
Would it have 1000′s of follows if either of them told you the lengths they have to go to in order to stay that lean. You can improve your body in 12 minutes a day but it takes a lot more than that to get as lean as LM or Z. I suspect Z’s diet is very strict and I know first hand that LM works out a lot more than 12 minutes a day.
If they told the general public what they really do they’d frighten them off!!!!
about 8 months ago
Again, written with class and taste but most important, FACTS AND RESEARCH! This is why I LOVE LOVE LOVE you Alfonso! Thank you!
about 8 months ago
“the lengths they have to go to in order to stay that lean”…??? Are you serious? Is it so hard to lay off the very fatty processed foods, and add some healthy salad aside?
) I’m actually sorry for the people that write such negative comments, because my guess is that they are very frustrated with their own results.
about 8 months ago
Well, I think it’s mostly aesthetic point of view, how you want your body “ripped”. Of course, Zuzana’s workouts do not provide fitness competitor’s body composition, but are enough for majority of people to get in way better shape than they are now. So why argue about that? I think it’s silly of both sides to scream one over the other. It’s everyone’s right to choose what they believe in and huge amount of people are satisfied wit the results 15 min per day give them. So, it’s possible to tone up your body with basics, but, yes, if you want to have a fitness freak body, you have to follow a fitness plan, designed by fitness experts. Here’s my two cents.
about 8 months ago
Wow… just wow. I like both you and Zuzana, and i used to bodyrock like 2-3 times a week (now I have new work so its much harder to put my schedule in order
), but I like variety. Now and on days when i was doing bodyrock WO i have been training for at least 45 minutes, and THEN i really saw results.
But what makes me the most sad is how did she call you. I dididn’t believe it until I read it myself on her fb page. That’s sad, really sad, especially when you think about her ‘happy go lucky positive attitude’ she’s always been trying to promote.
Cheers
about 8 months ago
I completely agree…..12 minutes is not a realistic amount of time to stimulate anything. Oh and let’s not mention the fact that most of the exercises these women are doing are advanced and not for someone just getting into fitness. As far as I can tell the only thing you may get from one of their workouts is an injury.
about 8 months ago
Come on!! It took me 10 years of 6 times a week, more that 1 hour and a half, sweat, blood and tears at the gym to go down to a 14% body fat without the use of steroids and I was 30 at the time. So 15 minutes is not going to CUT IT!! Good for your health definitely… Buddy hard like a rock….. NO WAY!!
about 8 months ago
I totally agree. I did a couple of her workouts months…ago. While I enjoyed the 10-12 min session, I knew I needed more. You can definitely see her passion in what she does, no doubt! But at the end of the day, if you are seriously desiring to get in the best shape of your life, it’s all about hardcore…… committment with your nutrition AND intense workouts. I’m a P90x, Insanity head. I know the importance of pushing harder every week with my sessions. Increasing your weights and intense cardio. HA! I wish it was that simple- workout 12 min a day! No. It takes sacrifice! Thanks for this! People need to hear it!
about 8 months ago
I think that the initial question was a valid one and that your response was balanced and accurate. No, people do not tend to read what is actually written. They tend to read what they want to get defensive about. I find Zuzana’s response to the topic disappointing and surprisingly out of character with her on-camera persona. She has a lot of supporters, including you, and she missed a great opportunity to turn a reader’s question into a constructive discussion. What I think would be more interesting and helpful (especially to keep this from becoming a throw-down) would be for Angry Trainer Fitness to offer her the chance to write a guest post on why she thinks 12 minutes works. A professional debate rather than a public call-out, you know?
12 minutes is better than no minutes, but it’s not better than 45 minutes. That’s my experience.
about 8 months ago
This is a really great, detailed post! I read it word for word and it makes perfect sense. I was really disappointed in Zuzanna’s response to your original post. I would have thought better of her, but obviously she was only reacting and wasn’t backing her response up with any real data! Shame on you Zuzanna because a lot of people look up to you. Obviously, Zuzanna is someone who truly enjoys fitness and staying fit herself, but when it comes to real fitness physiology, she misses the mark!!
about 8 months ago
In Spanish..
Para principiantes, Sí 12 minutos de alta intensidad son suficientes para darle una sacudida al organismo. Pero en cuanto adquieres condición (12 sem aprox) debes ir “modificando”, adaptando y aumentando el tiempo y nivel de exigencia de los ejercicios. Si, yo entreno 45 min al día: 20 min HIIT + 20 min de Running y con una dieta SUPER LIMPIA pero ya estoy en un punto en donde casi tengo total dominio de mi peso corporal y para seguir avanzando tengo que añadir más peso.
He seguido a ambos desde hace mucho tiempo y sé que lo que tú dices, Alfonso es total mente cierto.
Saludos desde Venezuela!
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about 8 months ago
I am a strong Zuzana supporter. I hope you two get to have a conversation about this because it seems there was a lot of miscommunication. As far as the shorter workouts, I think they can work, but I find my body craves longer. I think Zuzana as an awesome eating plan and can really work with her food to make her abs look ripped and lean.
I do love her workouts and I credit her very much. But I’ve done longer routines or I combine 2 of them to make them at least 20 minutes long because my body craves it — must be craving that chemical release. I also notice on BR that Sean has increased in size since he was first on in 2010– no WAY he got that physique with just 12 minutes of bodyweight and a sandbag. As for Zuzana, she is definitely a bodyweight girl. She’s incredibly strong & has a lot of followers to back up her work.
I hope the two of you can discuss this in more detail as I doubt either of you really want to make this into a battle.
about 8 months ago
I fully support you Alfonso!!! Though I used to like Zuzana very much, I was very disappointed in Zuzana’s reaction towards you. It shows a very different type of personality from the sweet person she likes to appear on camera. I also didn’t like that she immediately put up a post where she spoke about 9/11, as if to counterbalance the anger she had shown the previous day. If she promotes “a loving and positive attitude” and wants to “work towards a more peaceful world” why does she call FAT LIAR someone who simply disagrees with her on a very simple fitness matter? That post on 9/11 strongly savoured of cheap demagogy, especially as it’s completely unsupported by her own behaviour (at least towards you).
I don’t know…she is starting to appear very fake and very manipulative to me. She’s not able to handle criticism and is only capable of being worshipped like a goddess by an army of people (warriorz) who praise her whatever she does.
We also have to consider that she’s got no real training experience. She’s very fit and has a great passion for fitness but this is not enough.
Furthermore, I have NEVER seen any of her warriorz looking like her. Not even close.
I think whoever sent her that article didn’t really do her a favor as it disclosed a part of her personality that is not attractive at all.
Keep up the great work Alfonso, and keep opening our eyes. I am convinced that in the long run real quality and being loyal to your readers pay off.
about 8 months ago
courious…
where can i read the Zuzana’s response toward Alfonso.
about 8 months ago
Zuzana has even admitted on past Body Rock videos that she does more than 12 minutes. She has frequently mentioned running and hiking. Also, there was a time where she said to do the workout AND add 20 – 30 minutes of cardio such as rope skipping. Interesting that she had such a reaction to your statements.
about 8 months ago
I was also taken aback by Zuzana’s response, and by both her and your readers. I’ve seen some say that you called her a liar. I didn’t see that, but I did see you give a very logical explanation. Now how does she is explain all of those workout videos of hers that are longer than 15 minutes if her claim to fame is that it only takes 15 mins to create her body? In your initial article you wrote it takes you at least 15 minutes to complete a dynamic warm-up. Is she working these people out without warming them up? This sounds like a very dangerous training method.
about 8 months ago
Hi,
I love Zuzuna and her videos, but I completly agree with you. I am between 8 to 12 hours sitting on a computer working and the 12 minutes (actually 45 with warm up and stretching) are not nearly enough to get me the body she has, just a body that is pretty ok…but still needs hard work…
about 8 months ago
In my opinion, “fitness professionals” who try to sell this idea that you can get fit in only a few minutes a day are doing more harm than good. Shouldn’t the goal be to inspire people to live more active lives and to ENJOY activity? Well, we do live in a society in which people want a easy fix for everything, don’t we? It is a terrible shame. So far in my life, I have learned that healthy eating is not “torture” or “deprivation” or “punishment”, but it is a pleasure to nourish my body and feel energized by food. Likewise with being active; I love breaking a sweat and getting stronger. If people would just TRY a healthy lifestyle they’d be amazed at how easy and rewarding it is. It is much easier than dealing with inevitable obesity-related illness.
about 8 months ago
Zuzana said on Twitter that she is ISSA certified and that she is always continuing her education so that she can continue to help people. Just thought I’d answer the question on everyone’s mind whether or not she has any actual fitness training.
Alfonso, I hope you can answer my question. I have been doing Zuzana’s workouts for just over a month and have been eating a very clean, low-carb diet. In that time I have lost over 8 lbs and several inches. I have built muscle and am seeing nice definition starting in my abs and arms. I’m still 23% BF so I still have a way to go, but I have seen results doing this. This question is not me getting defensive- I’m trying to wrap my head around things and would really like for you to explain things to me further. The reasons why I thought her workouts would be effective is because although it’s 12 minutes, I sometimes do 4-5 sets of each exercise within that 12 minutes because there is no resting and also reach muscle exhaustion almost every workout. So, in my mind, I saw it as effective as what I had done with trainers in the past because they worked me out 30 minutes, but there was always some kind of down time walking from machine to machine or getting weights set up. In the end, I did about the same amount of sets/reps with them as I do with her, so I figured it would be as effective. It’s shorter, but just because there’s no rest. What about Tabatas? Didn’t Tabata train speed skaters in only 4 mins a day and they were able to perform better than their counterparts who trained longer?
about 8 months ago
Shea, whether she is ISSA or not makes no difference – it’s a piece of paper. Is she a trainer? Does she work with clients on a regular basis? Has she ever? That’s called being qualified and I don’t think she is. It’s very different to make videos on exercise than actually teaching real, live people.
about 8 months ago
Oh, ISSA….if you check out their site it’s frightening: an ISSA PT certification is a piece of paper that you can obtain in approximately 2 months studying ONLINE.
I know that Zuzana is currently taking acting classes in Hollywood so when she mentioned her further education on Twitter maybe that’s what she was referring to.
about 8 months ago
I agree.. I am an exercise therapist and have seen her saying things and doing things I would not recommend.. But still I use some of her workout movements.. or mix a Zwow into my weekly routines once and a while.. But still her workouts are nice to start of with..
about 8 months ago
I don’t believe the Angry Trainer has ever discredited her workouts. In fact, he has gave her and her workouts decent reviews in the past. He has even said the workout is effective, however, Zuzana is claiming to get her body in 12 mins and he is saying this is more than likely false. If it’s working for you, keep on working it.
about 8 months ago
Also wanted to say that I do not like the comments that are putting people down who follow Zuzana, stating that they are “lazy” or “want quick results.” I am not lazy!! But, I have two small children (5 and 3), one with autism and I am his primary therapist, am working on my Masters degree and am in the middle of a nasty divorce. I kept trying to do P90X or longer workout routines and I could not keep up with them. It was hard to fit them into my life at this time. Although I do LOVE working out. It’s one of my favorite things to do, it really was hard to squeeze in over an hour of exercising every day. When I discovered Zuzana I was SO excited because her workouts were so doable for me at this time in my life. I’m not looking for a quick fix nor am I afraid of hard work, but right now in my life I just could not fit in longer workouts and was consistently beating myself up because of it. I’m proud that I have now worked out consistently for over a month and lost almost 10 pounds.
about 8 months ago
Good for you, Shea. I think some of the reader’s of the article have twisted the main idea of the story and taken it personally. The question from a follower was if it was true that Zuzana only worked out for 12 minutes a day to get the body that she has.
about 8 months ago
well this is disappointing.
On an epic level- by BOTH parties. I saw your bitch on FB and I think this is all a little childish.
Yes- we are after truth- but I think this is a little childish.
Okay- now onto the rest.
You definitely can make improvements and very much change your body in 12-15 min. I confess have never tried to clean up my diet to a competition level to look like them because I hate not eating- it makes me beyond miserable. But I digress.
I am a firm believer in HIIT- but I do LOVE the rep challenges- I try to do at least 1 or 2 a week- they are longer- and really work on endurance. I also dance for 1-1.5 hours AFTER my HIIT. I just don’t have time for “Traditional” training/weights (whatever that means at this point).
And I think that while HIIT isn’t for everyone- it’s a really great tool in the bag of tricks- I love that if I can’t go to the gym I can bang one out while dinner is cooking -It’s just such a simple concept.
But being that ripped takes a lot more than just 12 minutes a day- it takes seriously controlled diet- and a body that’s ALREADY there to begin with- I don’t know about LM or Zuzuka- Sean admitted he ONLY does the HIIT’s and some sculpt and burn. But I think most people’s idea of results- CAN be achieved in a mix of what those two sites offer with some creativity on your own. most of the people we are talking about- aren’t GOING to be controlling their diet to that extreme- most of them just want to tone up and lose weight- and that’s exactly what can be achieved through these programs.
(Take a look at Z’s very first ZWOW- how out of shape she was- and then check out ZWOW 30 or 31- where she repeats it- she looks completely different and cut her time down from 26/24 minutes to 16 minutes).
I don’t do much cardio- I dance- but not really cardio in the whole training for a 5K mentality- but I”m also not TRAINING for anything that requires cardio- I’m training because I love working out- and I love being fit- and the combination of these things DOES it for me- but I know for some people it doesn’t.
I think it all depends on what you really want to look like- if you want to look like that- you really have to get on top of the diet- no amount of work will fix the diet issue to look like that.
But I think bickering about it like this- is rubbish.
about 8 months ago
There is something to be said for being wise and not angry over things like this. Both Alfonso and Zuzana train people via different medium. Want stats? I think Alfonso loses in numbers influence and gains in personal trainings given. The important thing here is Zuzana Light doesn’t lie about her own training activities and Alfonso should respect her influence for the good and be the bigger man.
about 8 months ago
Only Zuzana knows she what she does and how she trains.
Zuzana claims that working out 15 minutes a day is enough to get and remain lean and fit. A lot of people, Alfonso, Tatianna, and many others (trainers and non trainers) disagree basing on their experience.
We can all have different opinions but calling someone else a FAT LIAR because of his different opinion is extremely stupid, childish, rude and arrogant.
So it’s actually Zuzana who should respect Alfonso, because he’s older, more experienced (fitness-wise) and much more knowledgeable.
about 8 months ago
I agree it was unwise on Zuzana’s part, but it doesn’t change the science to claim it takes 45 to 60 minutes of workout to get her results. How long someone has trained other isn’t material to the science in question either. Tradition and perceived benefits from working out can be at loggerheads with what the human body is actually doing. I would be curious what Alfonso and others make of Tabata protocols and other high intensity extremely short workouts and the benefits obtained from them. This also seems to fly in the face of his argument.
about 8 months ago
What do you mean she doesn’t lie about her training activities? I just did a 20 minute ZWOW with her! If she is claiming 15 minutes to her body’s physique, then doing a 20 minute workout is undermining her credibility (not to mention her integrity), is it not?
She has created a hailstorm on herself waging war on Alfonso. It has in effect put all eyes on her and what her workouts entails. I’m sorry to say, but she herself has been caught in a lie. How is that for the pot calling the kettle black?
It’s all very unfortunate that she misinterpreted the article, acted on emotion and posted something that resembled what Alfonso said on her Facebook. It wasn’t even true.
In their own right they are both great fitness professionals, and I will follow both. This is one of those thing Zuzana should have left alone, especially since her facts were off base.
about 8 months ago
Are you just wanting to argue? Look you make my point for me 12 minutes in nonsense in the first place. Calling a person backhandedly a liar is no better than calling another person a fat liar. It’s pretty silly on both ends.
about 8 months ago
Alfonso never called Zuzana a liar. Zuzana never claimed that she has only worked out 12-15 minutes a day (and her longer BR workouts are proof of it). THAT IS THE POINT.
As for the science you refer to, I could bring you tons of papers and studies that prove conflicting theories. Sports science is not maths where one and one is always two and the different experiences people here are reporting should prove the point.
about 8 months ago
Not the point. She saw Alfonso calling her a lair and replied back. Instead of that being the end of it Alfonso replied back in even more anger. There is science and science and the numbers of bodies studied and type of protocol matter greatly. Anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of science because the factors that were not controlled and studied are near infinite. But I take your point so if there is an equal number of people who claim to be exactly like Zuzana this is all mute and silly, right?
about 8 months ago
Chris, replied back in more anger? What article are you reading? My thoughts are clear and articulate. There’s no obnoxious word play or anger in my words. I may be pissed off, but the best defense is in my clarity and ability to explain my side.
AND…READ the article again. I said ‘in my opinion’ and clearly expressed I was guessing. Still not for a moment do I believe she works out with only her 12-15 minutes ZWOW’s.
In all seriousness Chris, you sound like someone who likes to
provoke people and invites arguments. I don’t care much for that way of thinking. If you have something constructive to share then say it. But don’t further misconstrue my words to fill your agenda.
about 8 months ago
So you didn’t mean to write: I’m a little upset…okay…I’m really upset. In fact I’m pissed off.
That is were I got the impression you were angry.
about 8 months ago
Sorry if I step in but…have you read the very many comments in Zuzana’s site and even here? A lot of people’s first hand experience confirms exactly what Alfonso has stated. Why should they all lie? All of them FAT LIARS?
As for science it’s true that there are lots of scientific papers (nothing anedoctal about them) which prove conflicting theories. So first hand experience from lots and lots of people speaks much louder than some cold figures on a piece of paper which in turn have been contradicted by other figures on another piece of paper…
Zuzana looks like a figure competitor. Have you any idea of the type of training and super strict diet regime these people follow?
The truth is that certain theories are easier to market especially with an army of people who are often so disinformed that they believe Zuzana’s workouts are great because she looks great. Poor Charles Darwin, his discoveries don’t count any more.
about 8 months ago
No, I don’t want to argue. I’m stating a fact. Alice you’re right. Up until yesterday, I don’t even recall Zuzana making the claim it only takes her 15 minutes. Now that she made the claim it doesn’t look good for her at all. The people who follow her know it’s not true. I think she acted impulsively and carelessly when she made that Facebook post. She took the article out of context and applied it to everybody else, when it was specifically about the possibility of getting Zuzana and Lisa-Marie’s body in 12 minutes. What’s worse is that she didn’t even link the article for people to read and make an informed decision. Instead they were all commenting on her misguided information.
about 8 months ago
wow- and that was way more typing than I had planned! sorry
about 8 months ago
I feel like my parents are fighting o_O
I went from 22% bodyfat to 13.9% bodyfat doing daily 15-20 minute HIIT routines (bodyrock at first, then switched to ZWOW when she went on her own) and following Zuzana’s recommendations for diet. I don’t know that I have the diet adherence that Zuzana has but I’d say I got pretty close to her results using the same exact methods. After three kids I have the most ripped abs I’ve ever had in my life, and I used to spend hours in the gym. It is possible…I’m more than just healthy, I got the lean results that I wanted.
The secret to her workouts is intensity. I’m DYING at the end of a 15 minute ZWOW and my muscles ARE at failure, even after 2.5 years of these workouts because I push as hard as possible and make the exercises as difficult as possible.
Just my .02 for what it’s worth.
about 8 months ago
Let me just say that I enjoy the occasional BodyRock workout – so I am not anti-BodyRock. But, I LOVE that you are bringing to light the truth about what it takes to get a body like that! I seriously despise all those images out there of women who look like Zuzana promoting a simple workout that claims to get that look when there is no way in hell that’s how they achieved that body! Thank you for bringing this issue to light and getting people talking about it.
about 8 months ago
I think you’re both being silly. I like both of you and this is kind of childish – I am thinking we need a youtube interview
or debate even. I love Z’s workouts, she obviously just went on the defensive and because we can instantly post our feelings – she made it a facebook status. Oops!
If I were you I wouldn’t be angry. It sucks that she called you a liar, but maybe be the bigger person.
Anyway, I think both of you have great advice and opinions but it kind of turns me off from both parties with this online fighting.
about 8 months ago
I am the bigger person
……5’10″ 210 pounds LOL
about 8 months ago
I have to agree that this seems childish. She didn’t actually name you specifically. She has mentioned before that if a trainer tells you that you must do at least 45 minutes of 5/6 days a week that you need a new trainer. She probably taken more than her fair share of punches in the past yea so I feel like any rebuttal was – silly. In the end, you both are agreeing.
about 8 months ago
Hi Alfonso,
That’s why I WROTE this question to YOU. I work out very hard 3x week 2hours each day with clean diet, and I don’t look like that. You guessed that they workout about 1 hr. per day 5-6 days a week, but I think they do more than that. But exactly what? I feel like they are keeping in the dark. They want you to do the workouts, but they don’t want you to look like that. If I was trainer and if I want you to look like that, I would tell you exactly what I do and what I eat. PERIOD.
about 8 months ago
Well said, Alfonso!
about 8 months ago
Wow! What has happened to Zuzana? I am actually a bit disappointed, although I also have to say there was not really a reason for you to respond with such a long article, eh? Everyone with half a brain that has read your article AND did a bit of bodyrocking knows you have valid points, so..er.. there
about 8 months ago
I lulzed. SO. Now that we have established this- lets go back and answer my question I asked from your other article.
You say 12-15 HIIT is great- but you should do a little more…. lets talk about supplementing and what’s a good way to utilize HIIT into a program?
about 8 months ago
I am with you Alfoso..25 years of working out as well as being certified,there is no way u will look like those women without the STRICTIST of diets,and they train she’ll of a lot more than 12 minutes a day.Not to say 12 minutes of intense training is better than an hour of crappy training but it is so misleading to most people.I don’ t think you are saying that their workouts aren’t good,but they are misleading people if they r saying that’s all it takes..most people can’t and don’t want to eat perfectly either,so it’s unrealistic! boy people are hostile with their comments,you’ve got angry fitness trainees out there! Lol!
about 8 months ago
I’m a bit surprised at how Zuzana responded , but I feel she is more concerned that people just starting on their fitness journey would be disheartened and give up.
And on a completely different note, has anyone noticed how skinny Sean on bodyrock’s legs look nowadays?
about 8 months ago
Alfonso, you should not be angry with her but rather pity her a little.
After the hailstorm she has provoked with her rude answer to you, she could think of nothing better to do but post a photograph of herself (with the camera mainly on her huge boobs) with the writing “WarriorZ are sexy”. Poor Zuzana.
about 8 months ago
Thanks for telling it like it is Alfonso!
about 8 months ago
I’m gonna chime in with my 2 cents. Basically, what I’m getting out of it is this. If you want to improve, maintain, progress in your fitness, whatever you wanna call it you must introduce a new stimulus for your muscles/your cardiovascular system… or you ARE going to plateau! It happens! It happened to me! The human body is highly adaptable to what you put it through, so you’ve got to switch it up. I followed Zuzana for a good 3 years. I plateaued within the first 2. Why? Not because I wasn’t using the sandbag or not trying to pump out more reps. I had gotten to an advanced level where my body basically said, “whatever” to the whole short, intense workout thing. I had no endurance. I wasn’t even THAT strong. I was just really good at HIIT. My shape and body composition did change pretty dramatically, but that’s only because I actually started doing something. Anyway, I had to add MORE to my fitness regime in order to gain back what I was losing, and to continue to build strength and change my body. Anyway, I think I’ve made my point. And at this stage in my life and fitness journey, I’d rather follow people with legit credentials and experience.
about 8 months ago
I’m 100% with you and you KNOW IT. I would love to see some pictures of anyone whom have done the 12mins workout, pictures before and after. For real!
There is NO way she got in shape with 12mins before she started taping home videos. Look at her now! she still looks great but fuller and healthier…with 12mins? and her workouts are not as fun and intense as she used to. seriously! This is another bs in the fitness industry and pretty much insulting. I could be rich right now training people and promissing that with only 12mins they will get “results”! It doesnt work that way!
Thank you for mentioning me here baby! We dont fall for BS and yes I worked my butt to get in shape for those 2 Body Building shows…MORE than 12mins!
about 8 months ago
I’ve been doing Zuzana’s workouts for one and a half years, people ask me all time if I go to the gym and they also make nice comments about the way I look, but the best part is I feel GREAT. Do I want to look like Zuzana? No, I don’t. I just want want to be a better version of myself, I cannot try to be somebody else or look like anybody else. So I guess all this is just a confusion between the fans who believe they will achieve a body like Zuzana’s in no time and who are not happy with whom they are.
about 8 months ago
I love Zuzana and I love Bodyrock. But my workouts definitely last longer than 12 minutes and I mix it up with different types of cardio and strength training. I almost always include a workout from Z or BR. I do NOT believe that they ONLY work out for 12 minutes a day and I don’t understand why they won’t own up to it if that’s the case. Personally I get discouraged when they say over and over that they only do these short workouts and I do MUCH more and eat healthy and my body doesn’t look anything like them. But it doesn’t make me stop doing the workouts, I still love them.
about 8 months ago
i’ve been a huge Zuzana fan for about a year and half now and I’ve been throwing in the new bodyrock workouts here and there, and while i have to say that i have had gains in strenght and appearance, I would have to agree with the whole lot of people that say they’ve reached a plateau. Actually, the article made me think about my workouts and I’ve changed it up just this week! Thanks Alfonso! I hope to see changes very soon. I think the HIIT and the short workouts are great if you have them about 1 day a week, or if you’re just trying to maintain, but not if they are the only workouts you do and you’re trying to see some sort of improvement. Have you heard about lovingfit.com Alfonso? You should do a review on Tatianna from there next!
about 8 months ago
I second a review of Loving Fit–Tatianna’s workouts are what BodyRock could only hope to be.
about 8 months ago
I agree, I would like Alfonso to do a review of Marianne from http://www.myomytv.com too .
about 8 months ago
Agree with you Angry trainer. After 8 months of hard work i lost all my baby weight. My daughter is now turning one and this is when the my muscles are showing through. I work out atleast 45 minutes a day, 6 times a week. Before that it was 3 times a week. Incidentally i started getting the best results when i increased the intensity of my workouts plus increased the number of days in the week i was moving. Zuzanna’s assertion that you can achieve her body in 12mins a day is misleading!
about 8 months ago
I said I before and I say it once again – you really don’t need to workout at least 45 minutes or so to get good results. I saw this myself, I’ve been following Zuzana for a year now, and in times where I did her WOs 5-6 times a week, I was really super fit and toned, and only the longest WOs take 45 minutes (the fact that I’m currently not as toned as I used to be is because I decreased the amount of theses workouts as I trained for a triathlon. So, in absolute time I did a LOT more sports – ran, swam cycled several hours per week. But nevertheless that made me lose a lot of definition – proof that the amount of time you spend doing sports does not say much about your results).
It’s all about intensity – if you feel the energy to do a second workout, then it’s just a sign that you did not do the first one properly. I had so sore mucles from some 12 minutes WOs like form 2 days skiiing or so. No one can’t tell me it’s not “sufficient” only because of the relativeley short time.
And I want to point out that Zuzka never said “You can get my body by doing my workouts 12 minutes a day”. She just always said that she DOES NOT spend additional time in the gym but only does her workouts 6 times a week. The activities like hiking or biking she said she does on the “active rest day” can hardly count as a workout in my opinion. I can completely understand that she’s pissed off when people say that that’s not possible.
about 8 months ago
They won’t listen to you or I. Only people who agree with Alfonso get “heard” and it doesn’t much matter what science actually say about HIIT and muscles. It can’t be done with HIIT even when folks do short intense workouts and are fit. It’s like they’re all blind and can’t believe what the sighted say.
I wonder if Alfonso has ever done exclusively HIIT for any length of time…say 90 days?
about 8 months ago
Chris, they won’t listen to you or Jeenie just like you won’t listen to the rest of us. Please stop bringing up science, there are LOTS OF DIFFERENT THEORIES OUT THERE, mainly conflicting, and each of them is supported by what you call science (evidence, research, data, statistics). So why should only your scientific evidence be correct while other just as scientific evidence be wrong?
Zuzana may be the only human being who’s able to have those triceps by doing only 15 minutes of mainly bodyweight HIIT. I don’t buy that for one minute but even if this is the case, then the remaining 99% of people will never build so much muscle and be so lean by working out so little and lifting so little. PERIOD.
Zuzana is also boldly lying. She’s always worked out more than 15 minutes even with Bodyrock. Her workouts were often longer. Then why promote her new channel by selling lies only to increase traffic and hits? People are generally lazy and like quick fixes. It’s much more appealing to be told that you can look great with very little effort. It’s way more serious and professional to say that you can start looking very good with 15 minutes’ workouts (if you start from scratch) but that after a while your body will reach plateau and will need more. Lots of Zuzana’s warriorZ in her Facebook wall are saying exactly this. Lots of people here are saying exactly this. Are we all fat liars?
Zuzana has no training experience whatsoever and she should basically thank her parents for her body. Do you really think that everybody falls prey to the brainwashing process (“We are WarriorZ”, “WarriorZ never give up”, “WarriorZ are sexy” together with photos of hard rock abs, boobs and pretty smiles) that goes on in Zuzana’s site where she’s obviously selling her genetically great body by tacitly implying that it’s evidence of her training skills and effectiveness of her workouts? Do you really think that it’s so easy to manipulate everybody and lull them into this group hysteria which is mainly a phenomenal business strategy?
No Chris, it’s not so easy. But for people who don’t like to be manipulated and brainwashed it’s better to be told the truth and learn how to have realistic expectations and work hard to achieve them.
about 8 months ago
Chris, after reading Zuzana’s page, you are indeed an instigator. I have to wonder if you’d be so adamant about your point if this article was about the possibility of getting Lisa-Marie’s physique in 12 minutes. Would you, and why aren’t you standing up for her too? I think you have such an emotional attachment to Zuzana that it has clouded your judgment and ability to comprehend the article. She is a big girl, a woman in fact, you don’t have to defend her every action, regardless of whether it’s right or wrong.
People, read the initial article (especially the question that was asked to Alfonso), read Zuzana’s response (her response had nothing to do with the article, she misconstrued the entire article and in put herself in a compromising position), then read Alfonoso’s follow-up. It’s laid out rather nicely, and you can get the info first hand rather than playing the ‘telephone game’ that corrupted the topic of conversation.
Alfonso, my sister and I have been pouring over your articles. We enjoy them very much, especially the information on HIIT and Tabata.
You seem very well rounded and quite sound in your advice and training practices. Although you name says angry, it seems to the contrary – you seem to genuinely care about people. And I especially like what your site stands for: “the only site that’s dedicated to telling you the TRUTH and breaking down the fitness industry myths and lies…”
Thank you and keep up the great work.
about 8 months ago
Thanks Sherri! I’m glad that you’re enjoying what I share. Onward and upward!
about 8 months ago
12 minutes helped me loss a bit of fat, in the beginning. Since 6 months, I do not see any results. I know that I need more than 12 minutes of WO.
about 8 months ago
Dear Angry Trainer and Commenters,
It is very discouraging and disappointing seeing the back lash between you and Zuzana.
The message somehow is up for interpretation here, however, giving slack and trying to prove who is right or wrong is a tiresome argument as everyone has a different take on working out and how it should be done or has the scientific proof and or has the next best fitness advice and product.
Unfortunately, the real message was attacked, misread and is misleading most of us. I believe you should workout the way you want to and how you want to, not what everyone else is telling you or like-wise.
Working out should be fun and we should keep it that way and not slam others for their beliefs and opinions about exercising or achieving results. It’s just sad.
For me, individually; I workout doing HIIT, recreational sports, Yoga and walking my huskies everyday and I eat healthy as possible (6 meals a day) and plenty of fluid. Everyone is different and we should be happy with that!
To make the point clearer, the only reason you, Zuzana and many others look the way you do is because you become the example of which you are promoting. You dedicate your time and effort to becoming healthy and fitter while the rest of us make excuses, eat incorrectly and choose watch TV (etc..) instead than excercising and achieve our best results physically and mentally.
Ez
about 8 months ago
Hi Angrytrainer, I agree with most of this artikel.. Don’t think you need 45 min a day, everyday.. But think you need long and short workout and mix it up.. I started with bodyrock and made nice progress.. But did longer workouts to.. No 12 min ones every day.. I am not following bodyrock anymore, because I found someting better.. Or better said, someone better.. I would love you to look at her workouts and tell us what you think.. It’s lovingfit.com.. her name is Tatianna.. And I love her workouts..
about 8 months ago
I agree Tatianna form is excellent!!!
about 8 months ago
@Hellen: I really have a problem with that sentence:
“Zuzana is also boldly lying. She’s always worked out more than 15 minutes even with Bodyrock. Her workouts were often longer. Then why promote her new channel by selling lies only to increase traffic and hits?”
I’ve been following Zuzana for a year now, and I’ve never ever heard her promoting her channel by saying you only need 15 minutes – that would be quite stupid because there ARE indeed workouts that are longer. Though I DO agree with her when she says that you CAN get lean and fit by doing 15 minutes a day while eating clean – as I said, some of these “only 15 minutes” WOs gave me so sore muscles I hardly could walk the next day – something that never happend when I was training in the gym or doing other sports. So obviously the impact of a short, intense HITT-workout on the body IS high (ask my legs!)
WHAT she said was that she does only her workouts and does NOT spend additional time in the gym. And seeing the impact on my own body, I really do believe her. I’ll never deny that genetics play a role – in fact, I have a body type similiar to Zuzana’s: small frame, flat stomach and waist and fat stores more in the glutes and thighs. Plus, I did not have to lose weight – that means, after starting working out with Zuzka, I saw my abs popping out after only 8 weeks! After these 8 weeks, I also lost 4 inches (!) on my bum, while maintaining the same weight (so the loss on my bum was not due to weight loss, but to lower my boy fat percentage). And I, as a beginner didn’t even work out 6 days with the same intensitiy as Zuzka. That all is the reason why I fully believe her that she doesn’t train further hours in the gym behind our backs. Though of course I know that the speed of results is different for different people.
By the way, I also NEVER heard her saying she gets her results by only doing bodyweight HIIT – in Bodyrock times, she used a sandbag, now she uses dumbbells (in ZWOW 32, they weigh 25 pounds! EACH! For a woman, that’s something).
And whoever claims that Zuzana sells a sort of quick fit for lazy people has never done her workouts properly, because when you do them with all your effort and MAXIMUM intensity (and she ALWAYS tells us that in order to get results, we have to give MAXIMUM EFFORT) they are further away from being lazy that anything else that I know. Do that ZWOW 32 with 25 pounds dumbbells in 10 minutes like she does, and then tell me if that is “a quick fix” or “little effort” (if you have any breath left).
I recently did a beginner triathlons (0,24 miles swimming, 11,2 miles cycling, 2,62 miles running). Took me one hour, 15 minutes – and compared to a ZWOW, it felt like a lazy sunday-morning-walk.
about 8 months ago
Jeenie, Zuzana may not have SAID it, but she definitely WROTE IT. Here it is.
“Anyone who’s telling you that is IMPOSSIBLE to get fit and lean by doing HIIT for only 15 minutes a day like I do is a FAT LIAR and I don’t care what their background is. If it’s a trainer, then it’s even worse because they should know better”.
As for the rest of your comment, time will tell. Come back in a a few months’ time and let us know if you keep seeing results and improvements or if your body will eventually plateau and need something different. More strength training for example, given your small frame. Besides, for people who are genetically slim it may be easier to get results than for people who need to get rid of layers of fat. Strange that you should report that you lost inches in your bum: with good strength training your glutes would be firing up and building mass while loosing fat.
Another thing that I would recommend is that, after training with Zuzana for a year now, you switch to a different type of workout. Not necessarily at the gym (the alternatives are not Zuzana or the Smith Machine). There are various alternatives online, some of them excellent, others so so, others frankly quite poor. If you pick the right ones (and there are lots) you might come back in some months’ time reporting even greater results than the ones you have achieved now. Worth trying. I did it, it worked.
about 8 months ago
I think the conclusions we should draw are:
1) Don’t judge the quality of the workouts by the body of the trainer.
2) Check out before and after photographs of the trainers you are interested in to find out if their bodies are really the result of their workouts or mainly the result of good genes.
3) Find out what kind of previous real life training experience trainers have. Being fit and having a nice body is totally different from being able to train others.
4) Check out trainers’ legit credentials.
5) Try and find out if the trainer is more interested in learning new things fitness wise (updating himself, attending workshops, seminars, etc) or if he is more interested in making money out of his fitness channel. One of the most typical tell tale signs? Don’t trust trainers who organize fashion hauls or use sexual thumbnails. Sex sells and we want a competent trainer, not a salesperson trying to profit from our views.
Happy training everybody and thanks again Alfonso for this insightful article.
about 8 months ago
Exaclty. She wrote you can get lean and fit by doing 15 minutes, but not that she herself does only 15 minutes. I think that’s a very important difference!
As for my own results and journey: I started to do HITT WOs last year in July and did them exclusively for 8 months. In this time, I lost a total of 6 inches on my bum and 3 inches on my waist and had overall definition. It’s not surprising that I lost most in the bum because that’s where my body likes to store fat and I simply decreased my body fat percentage – and we all know that musles are a lot denser than fat. So yes, on the one hand I did work on my glute muslces, but I lost more volume of fat than I built muscles (that’s very visible on my before/after pics – it just looks as if I had some strange kind of a “butt lifting”. On the before pics, there’ fatty tissue with a tendency of sagging, now it’s firmer and tighter).
In the last 4 month, however, I did lose a bit definition on my abs (which is no drama, by the way – my stomach is still nice, toned and flat) – but only because I focused on cardio trainng because of the triahtlon I recently did (my husband and me also built a house and had to do lots of stuff ourselves, so I could not train as frequently for a while as I used to). Now that the triathlon is over, I’m focusing on HITT again, and I’m sure I’ll have the definition of my abs back in no time.
My goal concerning looks had always been a smaller bum and thighs (my figure is quite pear-shaped), and everything I had tried before Zuzana (gym, running, yoga) could not get me there. I’m fitter, healthier, stronger and prettier than I’ve ever been in my whole life, and that’s all due to Zuzana! Without her videos and teaching me that I don’t have to spend hours in the gym I’d never have gotten there. If I regain the strength and looks I had in spring before the triathlon thing, then my goal is reached. I don’t see why I should switch to a different type of workout as I basically reach all my goals with Zuzka (unless I should decide to complete in bodybuilding, but that’s very unlikely). I mean, I fit into a size XS, I have an overall toned, lean nice look, my low blood pressure is gone, my back pains are gone, I’m not tired all the time, anymore, I can carry 3 crates of beer without any problems, hell, I can even have cheat days without gaining a single ounce of weight – I don’t have anything more to wish for. No need to change anything.
Zuzana’s workouts changed my life for the better, and that’s why I get pissed off when people call her a liar, especially when I see on my own body that it’s true what she says. Yes of course, she makes her life with her videos, so they ARE a product she’s selling. But I can’t think of anything more honest than openly admitting of having lost track for a while, therefore gaining weight and losing strength and then starting again as she did when she launched her ZWOWs. It takes a lot of courage and honesty to do something like this. Plus, she never bosses people around, her encouragement to just do your best has nothing of the drill-instructor tone seen often elsewhere, her workouts vary so that it’s always interesting – for me, she’s the ideal trainer.
I for my part am proud to call myself one of her “warriorz”!
about 8 months ago
Friends listen – I took offense at Z’s statements, it’s true. And I WAS quite upset because it came across as condescending and elitist – As if Z knows more or better than anyone else.
IF you actually read my original post, my reviews on her and follow along with my posts regularly, you’ll KNOW I’m a fan of HIIT and hers. With that said – There is NO ONE WAY to exercise – all methods have merrit and a place in your program. And again if you know me, you also know I’ve said this a million times.
At the end of the day, Z and I are both after the same thing – helping people get fit and healthy. If her workouts produce results for you – GREAT! I’m happy for you. BUT you can’t make cookie cutter workouts for every body and make blanket statements ‘you will get X if you do Y”. It’s just not true.
My purpose of the rebuttal was to demonstrate that while there are benefits to short HIIT sessions, there are indesputable benefits to longer sessions as well. And when referencing her appearance and what I thought it took to acheive it, I was very diplomatic in choosing my words.
For all of you citing Tabata training – you frustrate me because you only read and extract what you want. Tabata intervals increase athletic perfomance in highly trained individuals and has little to do with a person’s appearance – which if you recall is what the original question is all about. Please…do due dilligence if you want to argue a point.
Please, stop the none sense, name calling, arguing, bickering and pointing fingers. Life is too short – you should be spending this energy on your workouts! I’m over it and love all of you and your passion for what you believe in.
We’re all entitled to our own opinions and if we differ, that means we’re human. It doesn’t mean we’re enemies.
about 8 months ago
Agreed Alfonso.
about 8 months ago
about 8 months ago
It’s unfortunate this question has spurned a disagreement between you, Alfonso, and Zuzana. As you know, I have been a HUGE Bodyrock fan, now I am a HUGE ZWOW fan.
Zuzana’s workouts are not consistently twelve minutes long, and never have been. She has done rep challenges and other workouts that can take up to 45-50 minutes to complete. The constant 12 minute Bodyrock workout has only started since she has left and Lisa-Marie and Freddy have taken it over.
Zuzana’s workouts, while a majority are short, are varied and can take longer periods of time to complete. It’s unfortunate that she did not read your article completely and responded while under fire.
I still appreciate your honest opinions and will also continue to follow Zuzana.
Sara
about 8 months ago
I “know” Zuzana for about a year and half (following for about 8-9 months), and I never heard of Alfonzo before. Not trying to make any sub-statement here, just saying how it is. I was an amateur personal trainer while back, and I am a physical therapist, as well as massage therapist ( lol and weirdly also a machinist, but that’s different story). Worked out most of my life, falling off the wagon here and there “for different reasons”. I have great awareness of muscles in my body, movement and (I guess due to education in that way) I have great sense of proper postures and stuff, which only helps me personally, in my own workouts. This is more to understand, where I am coming from, sort of.
First of all, I want to remind all those who blame Zuzana of various “bad” ways to get business, that there are very very few lucky people in training industry (or any other for that matter), who do it for pure pleasure, just because they can and “have nothing else to do”. These are professions/jobs like any other and trainers/coaches are there to make living- while helping others, – which is their job. While I myself am not keen of “sexualized” content on Zuzana’s site, or even more so on BR, I try to understand that they have to sell and make their money somehow as well. Frankly I am myself glad to be able view their workouts for free.
Next, different people tend to wanna believe to different things, kind of like religions. Who can say which is right or wrong? They are all wrong or right to the given believers. I used to lift a lot as the main way to exercise, plus some cardio, and whatever. I used to spend 1-2 up to 3 hours at the gym lifting to get the results I was looking for, disregard if it was good or wrong, I am just a human too and use my head in my own way. But mainly – I enjoyed doing it. I was very fortunate to have fully equipped gym at home, so I did not have to gripe about membership fees time and travel,….. either. Started actually doing Zwows after over a year and 1/2 of just “watching” BR then, and after Zuz went her own way from BR. And, honestly, – no I have never done only Zwow’s or BR Wo’s on any given day. I always add some lifting, targeting those muscle groups I wanted to “hit” that day some more. Just because I wanted to, and also because I happen impatient, and want to see results sooner/ or keep them longer, which ever applied at the time. In general my wo comes to be about and hour now, hour and half at max. So perhaps some would Say that I should not be the one judging or talking here since I have not tried Zwow exclusivelly. bla bla … I am not judging, maybe I am just sorting my own thoughts on this all
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I have never heard ZUZ to say ONLY 12 min, total, that’s just some people catching her by word. There is always warm up, cool down, stretching… the “12 min” is more of Lisa’s line, but she also always remind of warm up and stuff. So obviously 12 min is not all you have to do, regardless of if it works. As for 12 min of actual workout, I can’t judge, I have never really done that exclusively for longer period of time, and everybody IS different. So who knows, maybe there are people who need even less somewhere out there, but just because its not working for me like that, or because it’s not some ” expected standard”, that does not give me ANY right to say it’s not/it is true. I would try it, if it seems interesting and see from there, do I want to stick with it, do I want to modify it in some way. -Hey I am the one seeing my body every day, feeling it next day, I should know fairly well what is enough for me. Obviously I am omitting diet in this ranting, because that just goes without saying, and is a science of it’s own.
I find it very – childish- for people to blame other’s success on their genetics. Those who use it on self, that’s fine, but HOW in the hek can other people say, that “well, she has good genetic predispositions anyway”…. How do you know?? By looking at her? Really??? What’s all the science of genetics for than? It’s just so easy to say, and it sounds just as —- -( fill in the blank as you feel). Who knows Zuz’s family, who knows most of them? Come on. My genetics are to be about 20 lb heavier. I have to “fight” nearly every day, so I don’t go that way, without restricting my diet for example from something sweet here and there. I know it’s empty calories, but … I like it. I have very similar body construction as Zuzana, (construction IS genetic thought), and people tell me all the time how lucky I am to be so slim…. BS lucky! Nobody wants to see that there is actually lot of work and discipline (which I lack here n there as I assume most folks do) behind what shows at the time. Alfonso mentioned her pictures from before BR, he is right. But also right there in those pics it clearly shows, that Zuz does not have those “lucky genes”. She is soft, no muscle, no definition, her butt would have tendencies to grow as mine, if left alone. Simply, she had to work at it, however hard or easy. She has never said, 12 min a day is ALL she does either. But if that’s all SHE does, than good for her, that does not mean that anyone should despise that in any way, she “sells” what she believes in. She only claims to not go to gyms, really. And she says all she does are her Zwows, or formerly BR’s. OK, good. Who are those, who dont belive her to call her liar just because we may not be able to believe it? There are those who get those results, they love it, so they stick around. Non believers should not waste their time criticising and putting her down, but spend their time in much better, productive way, by for ex. looking for something that will work for them, so they have something to believe in and enjoy as well as Zuz’s fans. Sounds fair to me.
Alfonso, I do not doubt your knowledge/experience, I hope you dont get that impression. In all honesty I sometimes wonder about Zuz’s , even thought once again, I can go elsewhere too if I have a problem with that. To me she knows the proper forms (that shows from what she does), and that is I guess most important (may not be sufficient – I am not to judge). I/we Don’t know her qualifications, but hey, she does, and if she can do this with it, nothing illegal, so be it. But that’s my own “wondering”, Can’t claim, and don’t even have a need to claim, that she is right/wrong. She perhaps overshot her post on FB, but even that is a matter of individual opinion, in reality the dispute is involving just the two of you really. For myself, she rather impulsively overshot by calling names, I am sure if she first talked to somebody less emotional on the subject at the time, she would respond differently, if at all, or she would contact you directly and see what’s going on. The original question was sort of pulling the time and looks out of content ( just my feeling of it, but hey my english can still suck badly sometimes), it was really too general to answer, even thought you did great with it, and most importantly, it was your, and ONLY your, opinion, and you left it sort of open for everybody to find “their truth” in it… If they were OPENMINDED.
So what’s my point ? We all should tolerate others to have their opinion, it’s not that we have to believe it too, but we should be mature and willing to listen to it, because we simply never know what we can learn from it.
about 8 months ago
That’s OK, I never heard of you either.
about 8 months ago
about 8 months ago
Btw, I have read few of your articles already, and I have to admit, that “everything bad also results into Something good”. ( = I like your site
)
about 8 months ago
When people talk about Zuzana having good genes I think they refer to the fact that 80-90%% of her viewers (females) would probalby be super happy to achieve through workouts the body she had BEFORE working out. That’s having good genes. She was not as cut and muscular as she is now but she was slim, with a very small torso and waistline and proportioned.
The most obvious effect of her workouts is that her boobs became huge (LOL). Just kidding.
about 8 months ago
May be, but coming from same country as her, genetic predispositions are usually not to be slim for most people, provided that traditional diet there is VERY much Not yielding slim bodies either. I could just as well argue that most people are not born unslim. I strongly believe, and again, I dont mind being wrong and appologising, that how Most people look, as far as weight and fat percentage, is a result of their life style and diet. I am not talking about people with serious health problems, or those truly unable to check their diet and some form of exercise, I am talking about normal ordinary Marys and Joes, who can take most their health in their hands by taking some action. While “12″min may not be much for some, for others is far better than doing nothing.
If I was the exception, I would workout anyway, because I like that feeling during and after…
She may be the exception, but I personally doubt it. Noticed how fast she gained weight after leaving BR? My guess is, that – as most slim girls over there-, she simply watched her diet from very early on, perhaps from her teens, exercised to some extend, but that’s something she could tell you best.. But than again, I am just guessing, and again, I don’t have to be right. If she is the “exception” from most of us, than I say sincere “Good for her”, and (perhaps with a moment of some quiet internal jealousy) I turn my attention to more productive – putting together my workout for the day.
about 8 months ago
If you are happy with what you are doing that’s perfect. Keep doing it.
My experience is different, her workouts used to be enough in the beginning but they are not anymore and therefore I switched to other people’s workouts with more satisfactory and longer lasting results.
Again you seem to think that the only alternatives are either Zuzana or “hours at the gym”. Wrong. I work out at home and it certainly doesn’t take me hours. It’s Zuzana’s and Bodyrock’s claim that their workouts are the alternative to the gym. It’s a marketing claim.
You say that she was very honest and courageous in admitting that she’d put on weight and lost strength. Honesty? Courage? She wanted to start making videos again because she needed to start profiting again and she could not hide the fact that she was heavier and way less resistant. I don’t take it as any particular sign of honesty or courage.
Regarding the first sentence in your message, I have to contradict you again. I’ll mark in bold the words that count in Zuzana’s message:
“Anyone who’s telling you that is impossible to get fit and lean by doing HIIT for ONLY 15 MINUTES A DAY LIKE I DO is a FAT LIAR and I don’t care what their background is. If it’s a trainer, then it’s even worse because they should know better”.
Lastly, I hope you don’t mind my saying so, but you talk about your husband so I assume you are an adult woman. The teenage attitude (“I am proud to call myself her warriorz”) is a bit ridiculous at your age, don’t you think? Zuzana’s viewers often talk like groupies and not like rational adults, that’s why people talk about group thinking, cults and brainwashing. By the way, doesn’t it ring a bell that sites like Bodyrock and Zuzana’s have created brand names to define their viewers? Doesn’t it remind you of anything? Where else do we see this kind of technique?
about 8 months ago
Hello again
I checked comments here and on Z’s fb page, and what I’ve noticed is that many ppl missed the point of previois Alfonso’s article.
It was answer to question “Will I have BODY LIKE ZUZANA (or LM) if I do herworkouts only for 12 minutes daily?”.
Not ‘Will I be more slim and fit? Will I have lose some weight?”
That’s huge difference, don’t you think? So I am asking bdoyrockers (or zwarriorz
) – whne u were doing only these worjouts, did u get body like her? Not ‘just’ slim, fit and toned, but so amazingly ripped with extremely low fat %? I am sorry, but I doubt.
Then again, I think old Z’s workouts are really great and helped me a lot to get more toned look and get fitter
Have a nice day everyone
about 8 months ago
Hi Mr. Angry Trainer Fitness,
I’m just curious… would you say that a guy could get a body like yours by doing just your video workouts on a regular basis?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
about 8 months ago
Hmmm, good question Vitoria. In truth probably not. Don’t forget I started lifting weights when I was just 13 and I know that I’ve permanently altered the structure of my body. And even though I now cross train, I certainly stil throw in your standard bodybuilding and strength movements. BUT that’s not to say taht someone can’t get an amazing body with a different mode. My workout videos promote overall full body strength and fitness and if they’re done on a regular basis, with many circuits completed (you progress) a person will absolutely not only look fit, but BE IT.
about 8 months ago
I see valid points on both sides of the argument. What you’re essentially saying is that a body like Zuzana or Lisa requires more time than just simple weight loss or maintenance. And, yes, I do agree with you on that point. A lot of people don’t realize how much MORE effort it takes to go from, say, a 15% bfp to a 10% than it does to go from 30% to 25%. Fat loss for a fit body is wayyyyyyy harder than fat loss in a not so fit body. Been there bro. And since you’ve endorsed Zuzka in the past so much, I can see how you can be peeved at her response.
I’d encourage you to consider, however, the Zuzana/BodyRock side of the story here. Consider for a second that the original vision for the short & intense HOME workout structure has less to do with the body itself than it has to do with the MIND. Consider that the original vision was to implant a sense of hope and possibility for the viewing audience, who have always lived in a state of ongoing hopelessness due to the excuses of time, money, and resources. Zuzana MUST defend the mindset of “anything is possible in 15 minutes” because that is the motivator to start to get fit. In my experience, once a body masters the 12-15 min. workouts that are shown on BodyRock and ZWOW, there is a natural progression and DESIRE to workout for longer and be more active…but you have to get to that point first.
I appreciate your conviction and adherence to 100% fact and information. I just hope that perhaps you’ll consider that sometimes human motivation sometimes requires more than just fact. If the goal is to motivate more people to be fit, then I personally am kind of ok with small chunks of the truth instead of the whole steak all at once.
about 8 months ago
I think he knows that and is excited by trainers that get other people excited fitness. From looking over the site, he has a genuine passion for people to get fit and healthy. He simply answered a reader’s question which snowballed and spawned into something outside of what he wrote. I’m willing to bet if you dug around into some of his articles, you’d find exactly what you said. I did!
about 8 months ago
Yeah you’re totally right. I guess there was so much blind rage coming from both sides of the argument, I wanted to maybe throw in a little more logic…more for readers than for Alfonso. Honestly, I’m just glad there are fitness professionals like Alfonso & Zuzka who are so passionate about what they believe in and give their passion so freely…that’s my take-away! lol
about 8 months ago
I don’t have anything constructive to add to the current controversy, but I was wondering if links to the scientific articles couldn’t be provided, or at least the citations to the articles. Because to me it’s frustrating to read “science proves” without being able to evaluate it for myself. Just saying. Thanks.
about 8 months ago
Not every HIIT training should be Tabata training, while it may be good for training in a rush, I believe the sweet spot is around 15 to 25. Another thing, people put way to high expectations on achieving a physique exactly like the person they admire or look after. The true is genetics play a huge role – not everything, but mayor part – in achieving a nice physique. And let’s be honest, Zuzka have better genetics for being fit than most of the population, mesomorph all the way. So, this mean, her body will hold less fat, produce muscle easier and recover from training faster. She is not the standard – actually there is no standard -. Variables change from person too person, the important fact is that HIIT works, better and faster than other methods like aerobics or so. I don’t believe HIIT helps to grow muscle, little if any – the amount most of the females will find OK, not so much men -. So being a male, I try to combine HIT for muscle, HIIT for burning fat, that and dieting with carb cycling usually works just fine.
about 8 months ago
No, I’m not going to post a picture, but I keep seeing requests for results of people who follow Zuzana’s workouts EXCLUSIVELY…
I am one of those…
My age and # of pregnancies (pushing 40, three kids) precludes me from achieving Zuzana’s EXACT physique. However, based on my personal results (I’m in the best shape of MY LIFE and I’ve always been active and I’ve always been younger
I speculate that; Yes, one can achieve her physique by following her workouts and diet tips alone.
No hard core science here… There’s been enough of that in previous posts. I’m just responding to the multiple requests for actual results.
AND PLEEEEEEEEZ stop fighting!!!!!!!!!!
You’re both on the same page!!!!! Call a truce!!!!
about 8 months ago
BTW, I know I’ve mentioned it before, but it certainly takes me more than 12 minutes to complete most of the ZWOW’s… Maybe I might do 12 minutes once a week…
about 8 months ago
Hola amigo Alfonso, te admiro mucho al igual que a Zuzana, y sigo sus vídeos y sistemas de entrenamiento, soy entrenador personal y puedo dar una opinión con conocimiento de causa, te puedo decir que para mi los dos tienen razón, yo combino los dos sistemas de entrenamiento y los resultados que obtengo son excepcionales. yo amo los dos sistemas y los adecuo a cada cliente, pienso que no es cuestión de decir quien tiene razón o no o cual es mejor, tu lo sabes mejor que nadie con los sistemas de entrenamiento de fisicoculturismo ” unos con altos pesos y pocas repeticiones, otros altas rep. y bajos pesos etc. en fin. he mejorado mis sistemas de entrenamiento gracias a ustedes dos muchas gracias. espero Alfonso que limes asperezas con zuzana los dos son excelentes y muy buenos!!!
about 8 months ago
I am a big follower of both Bodyrock, Zuzana and even other youtube fitness channels such as Blogilates and Tone it Up. As awesome as 12 minutes is per day, based on all the conversations I’ve had with Bodyrockers on the Bodyrock App, they always incorporate other activities with that one video, with most doing more than one video per day which usually ends up being at least a minimum of 30 minutes. So usually when people on Zuzana or Bodyrock say they can get fit in 12 minutes it is true, and I have seen results from people claiming to do that, but most people prefer to do more than one video because they know the benefits of that.
30 minutes or more to me seems more a more realistic time in which to get the body you are desiring, with of course the addition of eating well and adding in other activities such as walking, yoga, pilates, weights and so on.
about 8 months ago
I’ve been workout with Bodyrock/Zuzana for a long time. First of all her workouts are not 12 minutes long! It is only the workout time besides warming up and cooling down. So her workouts are actually about 22 minutes long if you do it proberly. I have had good nice results but I have to agree with Alfonso that you won’t get the body like Zuz with only her workouts. I have to do al lot more if I want the same results like Zuz. I will not have the same biceps or abs like her with doing her workouts only. I have to say sinds I’m working out with Tati from LovingFit.com I feel so much better. I feel I had a workout. I feel my muscles are getting stronger. And her workouts are not to short. She explains every exercise very well and how to do it proberly. I love that because the right form makes a huge difference. I will always love Zuzka because thanks to her I’ve found my way into fitness. She was my drive to lose 53 pounds. She changed my life! I’m always be greatful. I will do her workouts 1 day a week because I love her. But for me Tati’s workouts are more complete. My body needs more. Your awesome Alfonso!!!
about 8 months ago
I enjoy BR and Zuanna workouts…I’ve only done a few however, what form of workout I do are usually Metabolic strength training like Superset and lots of Kettlebell lifting and Cross Fit inspired workouts for Cardio. I’ve managed to lose about over 20# and get a lot trimmer and toned. Most of my workout however last about only 25-40 minutes, working out 5-6 day per week….and more importantly I learned in my quest to be healthy and fit that how I eat is 80% of getting and staying fit and healthy and 20% is my activity (for me anyway) I don’t think…but I could be wrong…that to get as lean and tone as Z you’ve got to have a very healthy eating plan like Paleo or Meso Diet™ With limited juke/processed foods.
about 8 months ago
I apologize for the tone of this post, but I’m genuinely angered at the kind of responses I’ve seen over this whole debate. Most of all, the suggestion that being the “bigger man” means letting Zuzana’s fallacious accusations (against a FAR more experienced trainer, no less) go unaddressed… or at the very least, that he should go easy. What a load of BULL!!! Alfonso challenged the validity of her methods (and sorry, NO one is “too good” or above being challenged!) and he did so with respect and intelligence. And even after her outright insult, he’s remained civil and didn’t touch upon many of the things that could have been fairly used to discredit her… for example, just what kind of “tactics” she’s employed to help gain that large number of viewers, that her most loyal fans like to gloat about (sorry, just not something I would personally bring up as a point of pride).
I’d like to end this positively though and give huge props to Alfonso for firmly yet respectfully standing up for what he believes in, and has seen from first-hand experience. For that kind of integrity alone I support him 100%, and I wholly appreciate his priority to keep viewers like myself FULLY informed. So thank you Alfonso!
about 8 months ago
Evaleen, I completely agree with you and I was thinking exactly the same thing the other day.
It would have been very easy to make sarcastic remarks about her past experiences, yet nobody brought this point up despite the fact that even now in her fitness career Zuzana keeps using the same “tools” that have made her famous in a totally different business area. Let’s face it. How many subscribers would she have if she had not carried out the famous “thumbnails” tactic? How many fans would she have if she stopped showing us her boobs? I wonder.
The workouts themselves are good but overrated. The fitness advice is almost non existent, because her energies are focused on creating new army-like slogans (We are Warriorz!! Warriorz don’t give up! and similar nonsense) and pouring them in her site to tacitly manipulate her viewers.
Anyway, let’s enjoy Alfonso and competent trainers like him who provide us with intelligent and competent fitness information and advice.
about 8 months ago
Hellen & Evaleen – thank you both very much for you positive words and encouragement. Hearing both of your thoughts just reinforces that I’m on the right path and am approaching my job and life in a way that makes me proud.
Thanks again and be well!
about 8 months ago
high school drama, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
about 8 months ago
Just found this site, ok I have been doing BR for 3months, I’m fitter and toned more and some weight loss, BUT I’m 50 and 105 kgs, job in IT so very unfit, I started a 1hr fitnes class 2x a week before moving to b r’ing , it was a time family issue , I can honestly say it works ok for me ,BUT I’m never going to look that fit ever -again , and I eat what I like to eat , I’m not staving and eating nuts and grass just to look skinny , I’m happy in the way I look and feel happy with the exersices I do , a mixture of br’ing and boxing, but BOY some ppl get to serious about it all and loose the plot , they argue about having 1 piece of chocolate ! , s**t give me the whole block , I love chocolate , and yep I will do a few extra Burpees , to make it up, years ago I was in “hash house harriers” we ran and drank heaps of beer , and had lots of fun , WHERE IS THE FUN GONE ? In your fitness training, so many ppl are emotionally suffering , that they get stuck into fitness hell , I say to all get fit look ok but HAVE a life
about 8 months ago
Meh… I suspect this is all being taken out of context on both sides. I like both bloggers and I don’t see the fight here. Here’s why:
a) I doubt whoever told Zuzana that someone was slagging 12-min workouts was actually citing you, so much as suggesting there was “some guy out there says this is impossible and fat-burning hormones and the zone bla bla bla” – i.e., not giving her a direct citation to respond to but asking for her response against a very general sentiment. (One which, I might add, is pretty ingrained – the conventional wisdom for long cardio vs sprinting and lifting is hard to move in the hoi polloi.) So who does she think she’s talking to? I doubt you ever came into it; I suspect she was talking to The Establishment and The Fatasses who never have more than 15 minutes spare.
and,
b) I’ve just reread her response and it doesn’t say anything about turning into a fitness model in 12 min. It just says get fit in 12 min. I have to say, that’s the result I have seen. I don’t look like her and I won’t until I stop eating cheese and ice cream and cheating all the hell over the place – but on the other hand, boy did I get a hell of a lot fitter and get into a fit & healthy weight zone doing those workouts. So could you be a fitness model on 12 min a day? Maybe, if you’re a genetic lucky bastard. Me? No chance in hell. But no one’s claiming that, including Zuzana.
I suspect she’s not arguing against YOU, who have a terrific website with great advice and resources, but against the Couch Potato Culture which uses time constraint as an excuse. I think everyone posting here has made great points about how long & how much dedication it takes to get properly ripped, but a lot of us have missed the point on how “12 minutes to get totally utterly ripped” wasn’t actually the message.
So… will I continue to bug my parents to do 12 minutes of HIIT a couple of times a week? You bet. Will I tell my boyfriend, who wants to emerge from natural scrawniness with a nascent six-pack into a full-blown beach bod surfer dude body, to just do HIIT? Nah. It’s two different beasts there. I think we all need to just remember that Zuz and Alfonso talk about fitness badassery but probably to different audiences.
Great discussion, btw.
about 7 months ago
Mr. Angry Trainer: I came across BodyRock in June of 2011 and have never looked back. As a matter of fact in addition to BodyRock, I also do Tabata Training (same concept, but shorter workouts). I’m a former trainer and instructor and I just turned 50 in February. I’m in top shape and in better shape since doing BR, both functionally and endurance wise. I disagree with the posts of you and your followers that say these workouts will lose their effect; they won’t if you know what your doing. The point is not to speed through using momentum, controlled, full range of motion is the key and you being a trainer knows this. Adding more resistance, performing full range of motion, striving to get more reps within the designated time are all ways to add intensity and avoid boredom, thus, delivering constant results. Look up Vince Gironda, exceptional trainer, fabulous physique and his training philosophy was to get as many reps possible in a short amount of time. Hence, his 10×10, 8×8 concept. When I watch my diet, my work shows off…BR has gotten me in the best shape of my life and actuall helped rehabilitate my bi-lateral rotator cuff tears. No kidding !
about 6 months ago
Dear Alonso,
I have to admit, I was pretty upset too after reading your previous post.
Nothing justifies Zuzana calling you a fat lair, but as she states right after “The reason why it gets me so mad is because they are discouraging people by telling them that they have to be on a super strict diet and dedicate at least 45 minutes 5-6 times a week to get fit. It is outrageous!”
She just quoted your statement, which it fact also get my quite upset too.
The problem with the fitness industry is that is that it is so so horribly rigid! So horribly rigid, that for many it is just impossible to think outside the box. Eat tons of protein, eat 5-6 times a day, do hours of cardio, ect… That’s what we hear all the time, so no wonder that’s so hard to believe that you could achieve great results with following a simple diet and doing short workouts, isn’t it?
Well, what if we for a change start to think outside the box, and let’s say, state that you DON’T need exercise at all to burn the fat. Why should we then spend hours every week doing cardio, if you didn’t need it at all? (unless you really love it of course).
What if we take the exercise out of the fat loss equation and leave only the calorie restriction as a main key to the fat loss?
What if we forget about meal planning, meal timing, macronutrients ratios, and training for hours, and instead we start keeping it quite simple: restrict you total calories for fat loss, train for changing your physic.
Then even short workouts can bring you there where you want to be. Simple as that!
I used to follow the Tom Venuto’s Burn the fat protocol for more then 2 years, I planned my meals, eat only clean stuff, trained, but somehow I could go there were I wanted to be. Then I discovered the Anything Goes Diet by John Barban and Eat Stop Eat by Brad Pilon, and finally everything got so clear! I couldn’t loose wait because I just ate toooo much!
I reduces my calories, and within 2 months I lost 5kg. Without any exercise AT ALL!
It may look like I’ve gotten a bit off topic, but my point is, as soon as you start seeing the exercise as a main way to loose fat, you start to realize that it may be possible to get ripped with even short workouts.
So why most of the Zuzana’s followers are not as ripped as she is?
Well, I’m pretty they have the same problem I had, they just eat too much….
Simple as that:-).
about 3 months ago
Thanks for your articles; I’ve read some here and there, but didn’t happen to see this one until the other day. I share the same view as many others have been saying here in the comments. I like a lot of Z’ s workouts and there’s a place for them….for me at this point, they are used to supplement a better, more well-balanced plan. Yes, I workout for longer than what she has been claiming is all that’s needed, as most people who follow her do. Z is very likeable, has some good workouts and generally has a positive message, although the way she lashed out after her great fan told her what you said (which resulted in her looking not so great), didn’t look favorable for her. And that’s AFTER you gave her good reviews in the past! Unreal.
I purchased her dvds (ZCUT) and wrote a review on Amazon. They are simply a sort of library of zwows and are numbered 1-12, the then there’s a calendar included saying what day to do one of the short workouts. Nothing new. Anyone who is at a high level of fitness would need more, just as people are saying here. If you go from doing nothing or less than this, yes, then you will benefit from them up to a certain point. The people who are making her program seem like a cult have serious issues. I understand not everyone has the capacity to think objectively, but some people can! Leave those people alone why don’t you….Oh nooo can’t do that. Must…protect….Zuzana. In their minds anyways, but all it does is put a bad taste in the mouths of people who were fans. Take what you want and leave the rest, how hard is that? I’m guessing the same great friend who went running to Z (not in real life, of course) and told her what you said, resulting in both of them probably sticking their foot in their mouth, is the same person who is trying to instigate problems in my review….lo and behold it wasn’t 5 STARS like he thinks it should be. Let alone the fact people who didn’t even get the product yet were immediately giving it 5 STARS. Really? That’s like saying you REALLY LOVE the haircut that you have an appointment to get next month. There were a lot of problems in the way the product was put out and delivered….my review wasn’t even about that. Some people really get their feathers all rustled and start acting childish when you have an opinion other than theirs….then it’s almost as if they pick out certain words of what you wrote, put those words together, then insert some of their own words here n there…It’s as if they immediately get dyslexia when reading something they don’t agree with because they have put themselves in a box. That’s not my problem. You keep up your good work and I appreciate you telling it like it is.
Here’s the review if anyone would like to read.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3LR8LF5TWOUYD/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00AY5JB92#wasThisHelpful
about 3 months ago
Okay this post is stupid it is crazy to me for you to blast z and be angry when you know nothing. You talk about training actual people vs just making a few youtube videos like its something big, you should give those poor fools a refund! It seems to be you need to do a google search or something or just pick up a book, you probably got so much muscle it has taken a few brain cells!!! Google hiit HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING in case you don’t know what that means AND you will find that it IS the best and fastest way to get fat off the body!!! You know why you had to slave away on the treadmill to get the same results because you were too busy getting angry and getting on the defensive to pick up a book. EVEN bodybuilding.com has a section on hiit training and will tell you how effective it is. You and your hormone lesson is laughable. THERE IS NO AFTERBURN with cardio, that is for resistance training this is why is it best to combine both for maximum results. Cardio burns more calories and fat, resistance training burns more calories afterwards sometimes for days and builds muscle.
THE type of training Z and Lisa does is a combo of both!!!! Resistance training is her using her body weight, kettlebells, dumbbells, etc. that builds muscle!!!!!! IT OVERLOADS the muscles, everyone who does HIIT will tell you IT HURTS, it isn’t for everyone in fact it is soooo hard to do it is recommended that you only do it a max of 3x a week and a month on, month off, and for those with in extremely great shape! The Cardio is in that it tires you the heck out! It raises the heart rate to crazy levels in fact! IT usually maxs out your heart rate. The reason HIIT is so short is because it takes so much out of you and raises the heart rate up so much that a person can do only do it for a short period of time, it is like sprinting. You do every exercise to the max. You are not jogging not you are running like you are running for your life as if you are being chased by a lion or a tiger or bear oh my!
The question isn’t can you get a great body with it because yes, you can!!!!!!!!! BUT IS IT HEALTHY TO USE ONLY THIS METHOD and to exercise using only it for 5-7x a week for 15-20 or even 12. NOOOOOOOO, WTF OVERTRAINING no more like death. It is not safe at all to tell people to workout or do any workout 7x a week 5 max and that is regular working out HIIT is CRAZY INTENSE, people are not supposed to telling others to it that much!!!! Instead of going around like Angry toddler” instead of the Angrytrainer, trying to rally people at your side, you should be picking up a book or two on HIIT, so you can bring down Z And BR by letting everyone know it isn’t healthy for them to be doing only that it is dangerous. you CAN get a hot body just like Z and Lisa’s with doing only HIIT, but it is dangerous HIIT should be only done in moderation, when not doing HIIT you should be doing other workouts with at least one or two days of rest!!! HIIT is addicting short and sweet but dangerous.
Here’s some reading for you…
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ultimate-8-week-hiit-for-fat-burning-program.html
http://www.shape.com/fitness/workouts/8-benefits-high-intensity-interval-training-hiit
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=HIIT
http://fitnessblackandwhite.com/high-intensity-interval-training-workouts/
about 3 months ago
Wow Mia. Thank you so much for your eloquent comment and for letting me know what my shortcomings are. And the reading you’ve provided me? Wow. I had no idea! I mean really, what do I know right?
Seriously. Think what you want. Stick with your girl Z and her “high intensity” workouts if that’s what works for you. But don’t come to my site, and treat me like I don’t know what I’m talking about. That’s a HUGE mistake on your part.
about 3 months ago
Classic references…..Shape magazine and Bodybuilding.com. Hmmm, where to get good information these days…a magazine ironically named after painfully thin “models” who have none (shape, that is) or a website revolved around and whose main focus is selling supplements. People, really?
about 3 months ago
I don’t think that a rebuttal was necessary as I don’t think that Z knows who you are or cares. At the time of this comment, she has 145,000+ FB followers to your 6,261. Your usage of her name in your article title plus the 2 pictures of her used in the article were also unnecessary. Seems more like you jumped at an opportunity to draw more people to your site. And really? Using her name and pictures in the article then linking your youtube channel? Klassy.
about 3 months ago
I think that you may be reading too much into what zazanna is trying to accomplish. I don’t think that at any point she has said 12 minutes a day and you will look like me. I also think the term GREAT BODY is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe someone feels they have a great body losing 10 lbs, it depends how you look at it.
about 3 months ago
If we could get hot bodies in 12 min. A day there would be a lot more hot bodies walking around. I once had a dream to be a figure competitor and scraped that when I realized how many hours per week I’d have to put in. I lasted about three months before I burned out. Now I just exercise to be healthy lean and so I can focus better in my studies. I have been working out for years now and am no where near looking like the body rock girls. Because I don’t have that kind of TIME!! Oh I have muscle and my body is firm to the touch but just looking at me I look like your average healthy 27″ waist girl. It also takes ALOT of discipline to get your body fat % so low. I honestly find that harder than actually working out. What can I say, I love food, I’m a clean healthy eater but I love cheese, fruit, and seconds please! I’m also not ready to give up having a few drinks either, especially after mid term week. Lets not loose sight of why we should work out and remember the body is just a bonus. Look at people in their 70′s who still work out and use them as motivation instead of these ” freakishly hot people” lets be realistic and just aim to be healthy, happy and greatful.
about 2 months ago
She looks great, but her results are achievable. There are many women out there in the fitness industry that achieve a physique that can only be achieved by a combination of perfect eating, genetics and heavy lifting. This obviously gives other women who live normal lives unrealistic expectations. Zuzka is in great shape, but she isn’t ripped to high heavens. Who cares if she lifts weights too? There is absolutely no denying that her DVDs are a great workout. My wife uses them and loves them. Her DVDs are stacked full of content and workouts too. There is no fluff with them, it’s just pure workout from beginning to end with lots of variety. If someone follows her workouts, they will get results. Will they look like her? Possibly not. Of course genetics plays a role, we would all be lying to ourselves if we denied that.
about 2 months ago
Also it is obvious that none of you have tried her workouts. It’s 12-15 minutes if you can keep up with her during the timed workout. Most of you cannot, I guarantee that. There is no denying the HIIT has a place in a healthy lifestyle. Run on a treadmill for an 45 minutes at your leisure pace. Then try doing her videos for the 12-20+ minutes it takes you and then tell me which one you feel more. I already know the answer.
about 2 months ago
Just a thought… maybe it was Freddy that wrote that reply? He seems very domineering on the whole Bodyrock project and of Zuzana when they were together. 12 mintues of exercise is better than non at all but we ALL know that to get in Z’s or LM’s shape, takes a lot more than 12 mins. Take a look at the Tone it Up girls or Cassy Ho on You tube, they are fit and in great shape all the time but they both video’d and showed an insight into their competition diet and exercise – which was completely different to what they like to eat and usually!! Instead of raw protein balls and smoothies, it was chicken and asparagus for a specific event! I like Z and LM, I still watch them but I’m fully aware, and so should everyone else be, that a 12 minute clip edited on Youtube with Spandex and low tops is NOT reality when it comes to equally a physique like they have. Thank you Alfonso for keeping it real. Happy training everyone!
about 3 weeks ago
I think it’s great to exercise for 15 minutes a day, high intensity. In fact, I think any exercise where your moving around is at good starting point. However, 15 mins. and I don’t care how intense it is, you are not going to achieve the leanness that Zuzana has. Sorry. Especially with a ‘basic’ diet? Please, my diet is strict and I have an extremely fast metabolism, 15 min high intensity interval training has it’s place for someone with a body type like me, but unfortunately not without additional training and more than a ‘basic’ diet, am I going to achieve the leanness and hardness that she has. Believe me, been there, done that.
about 1 week ago
It’s is really pathetic to see this rude rant. I’m not interested in your website or your workouts. Your attitude sucks.
about 1 week ago
Not interested enough to read it and leave a comment though?
Sorry. The truth hurts.